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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject: Second Edition Holy Warrior

Link to download:

https://www.wargamevault.com/product/271681/Holy-Warrior

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject: Holy Warrior

Wow - some really good lists in here - expect to see a bunch at Historicon
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:54 am    Post subject:

Please make sure to thank Scott and Bill for all of their work.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Thank you

Thank you Scott and Bill for all your hard work. Smile

On Steve's Gym the hot discussion is later Ottoman Turks and whether this is the new wonder list.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Thank you

jamiepwhite wrote:
Thank you Scott and Bill for all your hard work. Smile

On Steve's Gym the hot discussion is later Ottoman Turks and whether this is the new wonder list.


It's been rendered playable.

Note that the Ottoman Empire...was just that, and was very successful, generally speaking, on the battlefield.

Another relevant point is that plenty of folks 'have the lead', but have not been playing it.

Finally, while you can have lots of really useful infantry...there's not much else, no elephants, no SHC, no SHK. If you want some of the options...that means a sub/ally with the usual complications.

Still...certainly playable as a competitive choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:53 pm    Post subject: Holy Warrior

I think you will see a lot of it - very good list - and with ditched palisades in forward sectors - large numbers of artillery are doable
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Holy Warrior

lilroblis wrote:
I think you will see a lot of it - very good list - and with ditched palisades in forward sectors - large numbers of artillery are doable


Yes, you could "Pull a Hauser", as it were, and run 8 artillery pieces behind Ditch, with Chains...sure thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:00 am    Post subject:

Well the Later Ottoman have been getting a lot of attention around here.
Hummmmmm........
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject:

With great appreciation for all your hard work on the lists 4 Horsemen!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Quick first impressions:

I like the handling of Military Order knights in the crusader lists. I think this is the balanced approach to these unusual troops, and it makes their associated lists more interesting.

Also interesting to see more elephants showing up on Seljuq and Khwarizmian. On balance I think that's a good thing, giving some important armies historically more versatility in how they can be played.

And thanks for making the Varangians consistently implemented across all the Byzantine lists. I'm not sure that Varangians existed in suitable numbers by the very end of the Later Paeleologan period, but history is uncertain and some sort of guard troops trained in that manner, if not literal Norsemen, may well have existed to the very end.

For the min-maxers amongst us -

Lists that got A LOT better:
* Early Paeleologan Byzantine
* Later Paeleologan Byzantine
* Later Crusader
* Catalan Company
* Albanian
* Later Ottoman Turk
* Seljuq Turk

Lists that got subtly but importantly better:
* Later Hungarian
* Wallachian/Moldavian
* Fatimid Egyptian
* Khwarizmian
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:08 pm    Post subject: Lists

I would agree with the list of improvements - I think as a whole we got 2-5 new A lists and some A lists got better- my Janissaries will probably now see the table - I think Ottoman with 2 elements of ditched palisade in the forward sectors ha sthe potential to run over any non shooting list - just by the volume and quality of fire power and cavalry - you deploy first they pick their spot and have more firepower than any other list in the game - against non shooters - I think Mesos may give them fits - bit not at all sure of that
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject:

So if I'm reading this right early Nikephorians no longer have the option to downgrade their Kavallarioi to Ds.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject:

lightinfa wrote:
So if I'm reading this right early Nikephorians no longer have the option to downgrade their Kavallarioi to Ds.


Correct, Kav decline is at the end of the Nikephoran period...Late.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: New lists

Love the format as much as the book - easy to read - appreciate all the hard work
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject:

Frank Gilson wrote:
lightinfa wrote:
So if I'm reading this right early Nikephorians no longer have the option to downgrade their Kavallarioi to Ds.


Correct, Kav decline is at the end of the Nikephoran period...Late.


Makes sense - thanks!

And thanks for putting out the book y'all - Holy Warrior is my second favorite era after Dark Age, so I'm so thrilled to be able to have digital copies of both now.
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