Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Todd Schneider]

Makes sense, but then if Reg A Companions get "costed"
more because they have special rules, wouldn't the
price of Light Infantry go up as well, regardless of
their morale or weapons, because of the special rules
they have as well?


The next question would be "How much more" should you
be paying? 1 Point per fig?

Also, you'd have to go back thorugh all the lists and
repoint/rebalance the special rules contained in them
as well. I know I wouldn;t want to be the one to tell
Scott that ;-)

Todd




--- darnd022263@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 9:01:38 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> thresh1642@... writes:
> Because without them the Companions would be
> Ordinary
> Shieldless HC?
>
> Is that what they should be treated as? What rules
> would you rather they have if not the ones they have
> now?
>
> Todd
> OK I have figured out what I hav ethe problem with.
> These armies get all
> these special rules for no extra points. I believe
> they should have to pay
> something to have these units do all this magic.
>
> Other armies like the Samnites even have rules that
> make thier troops worse
> but still cost the same points. I don't mind the
> rules, but these games are
> supposed to be equal points and these armies are
> getting something for nothing.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
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>
>




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[Matt Kollmer]

would it not not be easier to add "special rules" cost per unit,
similar to command points? I would think even 1 pt per fig would be
alot... but maybe called for. remember as one who sometimes plays
Romans ----> they're pretty damned expensive AND they wouldn't help
someone like me beat someone like you!
matt

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2005 5:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> thresh1642@y... writes:
> Makes sense, but then if Reg A Companions get "costed"
> more because they have special rules, wouldn't the
> price of Light Infantry go up as well, regardless of
> their morale or weapons, because of the special rules
> they have as well?
> This is what I was looking at. Each troop type, ie Companions,
pike, loose,
> etc should all be more. Maybe there should be an option to buy
each"special"
> ability like we do armor upgrades.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Mark Mallard]

** Im a seleucid player and was one of the main arguers for a cost to be
applied for special rules. I still am. I do agree with you but we have been over
this with FHE and it was a no go.

In a message dated 08/11/2005 21:16:04 GMT Standard Time,
darnd022263@... writes:

Todd
OK I have figured out what I hav ethe problem with. These armies get all
these special rules for no extra points. I believe they should have to pay
something to have these units do all this magic.

Other armies like the Samnites even have rules that make thier troops worse
but still cost the same points. I don't mind the rules, but these games are
supposed to be equal points and these armies are getting something for
nothing.

Derekcus






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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:36:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mkollmer@... writes:
would it not not be easier to add "special rules" cost per unit,
similar to command points? I would think even 1 pt per fig would be
alot... but maybe called for. remember as one who sometimes plays
Romans ----> they're pretty damned expensive AND they wouldn't help
someone like me beat someone like you!
matt
Matt,

I am just saying that they should have to pay points for these free
abilities.
Also armies should get points back for rules that inhibit there troops.

What Romans are you running?

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 4:47:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
markmallard7@... writes:
** Im a seleucid player and was one of the main arguers for a cost to be
applied for special rules. I still am. I do agree with you but we have been
over
this with FHE and it was a no go.
Well, They need to. It makes Macedonian armies idiot proof.
I do have to say it makes the earlier Romans playable now.

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 8:54:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:
Well, I do see where your coming from, but IMO buying
just "specific" abilities is a can of wroms best left
unopened.

Todd
So Todd. Free things for armies are OK?
Can I just give some of my favorite armies special powers as well?

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:04:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:
Now, as much as I like Warrior, and tackling some
thing for FOur Horseman, and designing my own fantasy
Warrior World (Lists, List rules and all)...trying to
repoint Warrior isn't something you could pay me to
do.
Someone needs to.

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:
I find it hard to beleive that the playtesting FHE et
al did made Macedonians to powerful. They certainly
aren't idiot proof, but Like any army a competent
player can do well with them. A player of lesser
skill might do better with them they they normally
would, but I have yet to play them, and thats a hard
area to quantify.
Pike that can't be stopped by normal means.
Loose that don't waiver in the open.
Cav that can do everything but fly.
IB Thracians.
There are no weak points to the army anymore. The hell with the Persains. No
one can stop the Macedonians now. Why not make the Persians weaker? Instead of
what they have done.Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 10:09:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:
Why make the Persians weaker? Because of historical
reasons? The same historical reasons used to make
Alexander Imperials stronger?
They do not need them. I won two NICT before all these rules with them.


Besidces, if anyone can figure out a list and/or way
to beat themk, surely a 4 time NICT winner can.
That is 5 by the way.

Derekcus


Todd


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:51:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:
How about taking some of the time you're using on this thread and knocking
out a point system for us...?

Jon
I am just a flea market trader and player of Warrior.
That I leave in your capable hands.
I still love you, just not the free Macedonian rules.
Figured saying that is OK since we are talking about Big Al anyway.

Derekcus


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[Todd Schneider]

Well, I do see where your coming from, but IMO buying
just "specific" abilities is a can of wroms best left
unopened.

Todd

--- darnd022263@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 5:19:28 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> thresh1642@... writes:
> Makes sense, but then if Reg A Companions get
> "costed"
> more because they have special rules, wouldn't the
> price of Light Infantry go up as well, regardless of
> their morale or weapons, because of the special
> rules
> they have as well?
> This is what I was looking at. Each troop type, ie
> Companions, pike, loose,
> etc should all be more. Maybe there should be an
> option to buy each"special"
> ability like we do armor upgrades.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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[Todd Schneider]

It's something done in Fantasy Warrior to an extent,
but tose deal more with "traits" more oftne than not.

It's been brought up before, but when you start
costing for "special" skills, your creating a cascade
effect that measn the entire game has to be repointed.

Now, as much as I like Warrior, and tackling some
thing for FOur Horseman, and designing my own fantasy
Warrior World (Lists, List rules and all)...trying to
repoint Warrior isn't something you could pay me to
do.

Todd

--- dragonsmogg <mkollmer@...> wrote:

> would it not not be easier to add "special rules"
> cost per unit,
> similar to command points? I would think even 1 pt
> per fig would be
> alot... but maybe called for. remember as one who
> sometimes plays
> Romans ----> they're pretty damned expensive AND
> they wouldn't help
> someone like me beat someone like you!
> matt
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com,
> darnd022263@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/8/2005 5:19:28 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > thresh1642@y... writes:
> > Makes sense, but then if Reg A Companions get
> "costed"
> > more because they have special rules, wouldn't the
> > price of Light Infantry go up as well, regardless
> of
> > their morale or weapons, because of the special
> rules
> > they have as well?
> > This is what I was looking at. Each troop type, ie
> Companions,
> pike, loose,
> > etc should all be more. Maybe there should be an
> option to buy
> each"special"
> > ability like we do armor upgrades.
> >
> > Derekcus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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[Todd Schneider]

I find it hard to beleive that the playtesting FHE et
al did made Macedonians to powerful. They certainly
aren't idiot proof, but Like any army a competent
player can do well with them. A player of lesser
skill might do better with them they they normally
would, but I have yet to play them, and thats a hard
area to quantify.

Todd


--- darnd022263@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/9/2005 4:47:51 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> markmallard7@... writes:
> ** Im a seleucid player and was one of the main
> arguers for a cost to be
> applied for special rules. I still am. I do agree
> with you but we have been
> over
> this with FHE and it was a no go.
> Well, They need to. It makes Macedonian armies idiot
> proof.
> I do have to say it makes the earlier Romans
> playable now.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>





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[joncleaves]

<<Someone needs to.>>

How about taking some of the time you're using on this thread and knocking out a
point system for us...?

Jon


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[Todd Schneider]

Well, Is there a historical justification for them?

Just glancing through some of the other lists out
there, on the assumption that Special Skills were
costed extra, what would a baseline be?

Is Circulating combatants more powerful than Fighting
two full ranks at all times?
Is Mounted JLS fighting 1.5 ranks better than
Skirmishing Heavy Chariots?
Is being able to take 3 CPF from shooting better than
being able to counter in any situation?

At the moment, lets say they are all the same, and
cost 1 point each.

Right now, an Element of EIR Legionaries is 24 points
without those skills being costed in.

With them, that same element would be 28 points,
making an already expensive unit even more expensive
in a 1600 point list. Or are we also assuming that
adding any special skills points swill also increase
the base army size as well?

Todd

--- darnd022263@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/9/2005 8:54:45 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> thresh1642@... writes:
> Well, I do see where your coming from, but IMO
> buying
> just "specific" abilities is a can of wroms best
> left
> unopened.
>
> Todd
> So Todd. Free things for armies are OK?
> Can I just give some of my favorite armies special
> powers as well?
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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